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  The Idiocy of the Universal Sovreignty Issue

  by Black Man in

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  does anyone else have trouble processing the logic behind the wts issue of universal sovreignty?

  why empower satan to make claims and give him the time and circumstances to prove his claims?

  why have a bet between 2 people decide the fate of the universe?

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  Black Man

  Great comments in this thread. This goes up!
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  THIS USED TO BE THE SOCIETY- HOW SAD TODAY

  by JT in

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  "we would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the society is the lord's channel... there should be full liberty of conscience.

  -- wt april 1, 1920, p. 100, 101

  it is interesting to think that at one time the wt viewed itself merely as students of the word sharing and printing thier understanding or interpetation or their take on a biblical point and as a result they felt that if they printed something that someone didn;t agree with well all is well, we just got a different personal view on a matter.

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  Once again JT, excellent thread...............

  This is at the core of what's wrong with the WTS. When they were just "bible students" their motives were a lot more purer. The environment wasn't quite as ripe for spiritual politics and bureacracy to take over. This was when they really seemed to respect personal conscience and free will. The minute they instituted the faithful-and-discreet-slave dogma was the beginning of the end and the point where they went from being a group of bible students to a cult.
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  Was Governing Body Member Gerritt Losch Ever Disfellowshipped?

  by minimus in

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  a rumor has come around, saying current gb member losch, was df'd.

  as anyone heard of this??

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  Black Man

  No......Losch was never disfellowshipped.
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  Faithful & Discreet Slave - NEW LIGHT

  by Black Man in

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  2. beliefs

  ok........has anybody been hearing rumors about new light on the faithful and discreet slave teaching?

  i recently talked to one of my ex-bethel buddies and he said that an adjustment has been in the works for awhile now and that the new light for the fds will be that they will receive their appointment before the great tribulation and that they didn't receive it at 1918-19 as previously taught.

  their works (global preaching work, worldwide growth, etc) up until the point of the great tribulation will show that they have been faithful and discreet in caring for the lord's interests and worthy of "official" appointment before the end comes.

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  Faithful & Discreet Slave - NEW LIGHT

  by Black Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok........has anybody been hearing rumors about new light on the faithful and discreet slave teaching?

  i recently talked to one of my ex-bethel buddies and he said that an adjustment has been in the works for awhile now and that the new light for the fds will be that they will receive their appointment before the great tribulation and that they didn't receive it at 1918-19 as previously taught.

  their works (global preaching work, worldwide growth, etc) up until the point of the great tribulation will show that they have been faithful and discreet in caring for the lord's interests and worthy of "official" appointment before the end comes.

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  Faithful & Discreet Slave - NEW LIGHT

  by Black Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok........has anybody been hearing rumors about new light on the faithful and discreet slave teaching?

  i recently talked to one of my ex-bethel buddies and he said that an adjustment has been in the works for awhile now and that the new light for the fds will be that they will receive their appointment before the great tribulation and that they didn't receive it at 1918-19 as previously taught.

  their works (global preaching work, worldwide growth, etc) up until the point of the great tribulation will show that they have been faithful and discreet in caring for the lord's interests and worthy of "official" appointment before the end comes.

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  Hamas: No problem, man.

  Minimus: Yes, I heard that the "slave" (alledged new definition) can/will include non-anointed. And yeah, facts don't mean s**t. You could show the dub-faithful that god's name is Satan and you would still have peeps following/apologizing/rationalizing on how they can show more zeal. And you're right, it's been a little while since there was something "juicy" of this magnitude.

  Teejay: Wassup.......actually it was presented to me as a "faithful and discreet slave" designate. They are the FDS and have/are showing this and that the "appointment" is merely a formality and confirmation of who they already feel they are. And yes, J-dubs will eat it up in seconds, no questions.

  Greven: You're right it is an unconfirmend rumor currently. It's all a waiting game. Actually, many of the doctrinal "switches" that have been made in the past were "marinated" on for YEARS until it was felt it was the right time to slip it in. I've been hearing bits and pieces of this rumor for the better part of 2 years. This is the first time, I've heard it "rumored" so clearly.

  Robhic: Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

  Justhuman: It could be big, or it could be just a blip on the radar screen just like the "generation" issue.

  RunningMan: The age of the annointed is something that I think has been on the minds of the WTS oracles for awhile now. But you're right, they'll spin it in a way that you'll just accept it without thinking about the complicated logic and LANGUAGE that they'll hit peeps with.

  Rocketman: I've always felt naming specific dates/years doesn't bode well for good shelf life. Saying the master invisibly inspected (absolutely unprovable) his spiritual belongings in 1919, the 7 trumpet blasts being a series of conventions in 1922, etc. You have to wonder how long the current crop of j-dub oracles have wanted to wipe the musings of rutherford, franz, etc from the books.

  Integ: There are peeps in my congo that aren't even aware of the sheeps/goats new light.

  Elsewhere: The way it was told to me, they (FDS) are proving so by works and are in effect an FDS-elect. There have always been "faithful and discreet individuals" Similar to when a president is elected yet not serving until the outgoing one actually leaves office. But yeah, I think there are some authority issues if they don't spin the hell outta that yarn.

  Cruzanheart: I'll take the grape flavor, thank u..........

  Suzi-creamcheez: ***cues Saturday Night Fever soundtrack***

  JeffT: You know they'll bring their A-game to the spindoctor session. I just wonder will it be announced at an convention or slipped into the back of a Watchtower magazine.

  Metatron: Yep, control is the name of the game.

  Ravyn: Yeah, that "wait on Jehovah" spiel used to tick me the hell off.

  No Apologies: You hit it on the head and I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they spin it......that the only change is the time of the inspection.

  JT: Wassup, bro.................HOW and WHEN.....those are the 2 most important aspects of this alleged change. Yeah, you're on-point. THERE WILL BE NO MASS EXODUS. Peeps are conditioned to accept " new light." It'll just whip peeps up into a fervor that the end must be close, for the "light of truth" to be so clear now. Also, good analogy on the catholic church, so on-point.

  Undercover: My question is for those who have been disfellowshipped for not believing in the FDS concept....will disfellowshipments be rescinded? For anyone who has been disfellowshipped for apostasy only to find that the Society later changed to their view, are those df's lifted? Can it open up potential lawsuits against the WTS?

  Nosferatu: There was a heavy at bethel who used to always suggest throwing out literature every 7-10 years because things are out-of-date due to the "chariot" (organization) going at such a high speed. And that's another way this can be spun, to keep up with the chariot, accept the change. And yeah, it wouldn't be the first time nor the last.

  Francois: Couldn't say it any better.

  Bigboi: Wassup, my mello. I think the GB's dying off has mos-def sped up them looking for something...any explanation.

  OICU8it2: It would be a trip if they started all over again with a recent appointment.

  RR: The change could be big, but they've got spin-doctors up there that can make your eyes glaze over and your brain hurt.

  Gumby: Sure.......sure, blame everythin' on da' blackman (kidding). You're right in that you're average dub can't even explain away the 1918 appointment. Most don't care. They're so locked into the routine of being a JW that most can't see the doctrinal foundation and its flaws. You're on-point with the 1918 thang. They were really pitiful back in the day.

  Panda: Logic and thinking ability are to dubs like s**t is to us that we flush down a toilet. You can be sure that the cult catch phrases will be in full-effect.

  xjw_b12: Who? That's the $64,000 question.

  OHappyDay: You bring up an interesting point. They could disavow the whole chronology thing and get a fresh start, but i doubt that they're smart enough to recognize it.

  LDH: Lisa, how the hell are u doing? Good to hear from u. Yeah, you're like me. I only get a chance to pop in and out of here. Keep hanging!
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  Faithful & Discreet Slave - NEW LIGHT

  by Black Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok........has anybody been hearing rumors about new light on the faithful and discreet slave teaching?

  i recently talked to one of my ex-bethel buddies and he said that an adjustment has been in the works for awhile now and that the new light for the fds will be that they will receive their appointment before the great tribulation and that they didn't receive it at 1918-19 as previously taught.

  their works (global preaching work, worldwide growth, etc) up until the point of the great tribulation will show that they have been faithful and discreet in caring for the lord's interests and worthy of "official" appointment before the end comes.

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  Black Man

  Pushing this back to da' top..........
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  Faithful & Discreet Slave - NEW LIGHT

  by Black Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok........has anybody been hearing rumors about new light on the faithful and discreet slave teaching?

  i recently talked to one of my ex-bethel buddies and he said that an adjustment has been in the works for awhile now and that the new light for the fds will be that they will receive their appointment before the great tribulation and that they didn't receive it at 1918-19 as previously taught.

  their works (global preaching work, worldwide growth, etc) up until the point of the great tribulation will show that they have been faithful and discreet in caring for the lord's interests and worthy of "official" appointment before the end comes.

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  Black Man

  Ok........has anybody been hearing rumors about new light on the faithful and discreet slave teaching? I recently talked to one of my ex-bethel buddies and he said that an adjustment has been in the works for awhile now and that the new light for the FDS will be that they will receive their appointment before the Great Tribulation and that they didn't receive it at 1918-19 as previously taught. Their works (global preaching work, worldwide growth, etc) up until the point of the Great Tribulation will show that they have been faithful and discreet in caring for the lord's interests and worthy of "official" appointment before the end comes. ANYBODY HEARD THIS?
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  Do you believe in Armageddon ??? Watchtower sure scares them good !!!

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  alot of discussion referring to the new book released learning from the great teacher, and the scene of armageddon page.

  what a pile of garbage, how could the society justify in publishing such pics.. if/when armageddon comes (which i doubt), it probaly would not take more than one minute.

  i cannot see people running around screaming in terror, with their clothes torn and beating each other up, like the watchtower portrays, just another scare tactic for the watchtower.

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  After 9/11, I'm convinced that a loving God wouldn't bring about Armageddon in the fashion that we've seen depicted in pics (buildings falling over peeps, men, women and animals running hysterically in the streets). If Armageddon is true, I think God can make that happen in a fashion befitting a person of love and order. I also don't think that he's gonna destroy 99% of the population either.
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  Why don't faithful angels prove God's Universal Sovreignty

  by joelbear in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so 1/3 of the angels followed satan, the majority stuck with god.

  doesn't the existence of faithful angels prove god's right to universal sovereignty much more so than the actions of one human pair?

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  Black Man

  good thread.....bringing it back to the top.............